Emma thanks you for the compliments.. And like you i also never thought id be discussing make up tips lol. I recently bought these 2 different types of lipstick. I thought the top one would be good for getting a perfect outline.. Wrong.. It just drags and struggles to leave anything on the lips.. The lower one just leaves a gloopy mess. Both of these cost 10 pound each so as you can imagine im reluctant to buy any more