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Old 16-01-2022, 12:54 PM
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I have mentioned this briefly at several Zoom meets, usually once I have had far too much to drink and at the point I am not making much sense.

I have decided last week this needs sorting, I have honestly been avoiding the inevitable since the end of last year when I was realised the Tpe was seriously changing in her arms, last week I was changing her out of a Christmas outfit, washed, oiled and powdered her, when I got to her arms (elbows down) the tpe had broken through at the back of the elbow right arm, in front of elbow left arm in the crease.

This is a Jinsan Factory doll, I can feel inside her arms through the tears, the upper arm skeleton is covered with that bandage stuff they wrap the skeleton in, the Tpe is perfect, at the elbow joint it is unprotected I don't know if it is wet tpe around elbow joint it just looks like oil to me. The lower arm is totally bare metal and the Tpe is slime inside there reacting with it metal arm. This is happening from the inside out and not a reaction to Silicone from the outside in.

So, I have had a plan for several days, it's my plan that means it is usually flawed, hence why I am asking for advice and views, please no sympathy replies, I really don't do mushy stuff.

The plan cut the TPE on both arms all the way around at the point of the elbow, peel the tpe down, I actually would prefer to do it at the wrist I can cover the repairs with bracelets like Gemma is. It is just I can see the worst area is the joints at the elbows and they are already becoming a mess.(your thoughts please on that) then I was thinking of trying to clean the gloop up, cover the skeleton with bandage, coat it with 3m primer and tpe, let it dry, re coat and dry again until completely covered in tpe mix, final thin coat and stick her arm back on.

What do you think?
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Old 16-01-2022, 01:00 PM
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Yeah, my WM140D (2016) bod has done similar at the elbows. Split on the outside of the bend, and a gloopy/gelatinous substance therein. The rest of the bod is pretty sound.

I've just let it be, and keep her clothed. Out of sight, out of mind...
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Old 16-01-2022, 01:16 PM
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Disclaimer: no personal experience in this, but I read a thread about this issue fairly recently, probably on TDF but I'm struggling to find it now.

The guy who had the issue seemed to think that once the TPE starts going goopy like that there's no way back because it infects the TPE around it and spreads, and that his only option was to amputate way beyond the damaged TPE.

It sounds horrible, and the speculation was that it was caused by exposed copper finger wires reacting with the TPE.

He'd had it spread all the way up the arm almost to the shoulder.

It sounds awful

Whatever happens I'd keep her well separated from other dolls, just in case.
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Old 16-01-2022, 01:58 PM
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Disclaimer: no personal experience in this, but I read a thread about this issue fairly recently, probably on TDF but I'm struggling to find it now.

The guy who had the issue seemed to think that once the TPE starts going goopy like that there's no way back because it infects the TPE around it and spreads, and that his only option was to amputate way beyond the damaged TPE.

It sounds horrible, and the speculation was that it was caused by exposed copper finger wires reacting with the TPE.

He'd had it spread all the way up the arm almost to the shoulder.

It sounds awful

Whatever happens I'd keep her well separated from other dolls, just in case.
I think that you may be thinking of my thread here: http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ad.php?t=16053 where I had to remove Yvettes Hands.

It didn't go to the shoulder but rather a fair way to the Elbow.

The TPE blend was WM 2014.

The cause of my issue was as you say the copper wires causing deterioration of the TPE. And yes, they rot from the inside out so by the time that you know anything is wrong it's already too late. I don't think that it is directly comparable to this case so any advice I can offer is restricted to saying that that the gloop is the final stage, before that the TPE loses all elasticity and it moves like an infection.

By the time that the infection was visible it had moved a lot further down the arms than the reach of th copper wires. Its as if once th TPE is infected the resultant fungus (I am assuming this is fungal although I have nothing to proove that it isn't chemical) spreads without any need of the copper. It simply feeds off itself.

Before doing the operation I did try to pull out the oil by leaving the hands submerged in cornflour for a month. That made sense to me at the time but in hindsight it slowed the spread but did nothing to remove the infection.

I will say that the TPE that will need to be cut back to healthy TPE goes beyond that which visually shows signs of deterioration. Tommo knows what healthy TPE feels like so I won't dwell on that. Just want to offer my sincerest best wishes for the operation. I know how it feels to do something similar and its terrifying.

Good luck Tommo, thoughts are with you and th infected girl.

All the best,

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Old 16-01-2022, 02:06 PM
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I think that you may be thinking of my thread here: http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ad.php?t=16053 where I had to remove Yvettes Hands.
That's the one I was thinking of.
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Wish you all the best with the operation and for a smooth recovery.
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The doll is a 2019 girl, she not the easiest or cheapest to replace and not available through UK vendors, so she's kinda special which makes this slightly worse. I have kept her separated from the others for several months, from the moment I noticed her arms were going soft, her upper arms are okay, her hands are good too, the outside layers of her forearms you wouldn't know there was anything wrong it is a touch thing, she was very soft TPE anyway, her forearms are extremely soft now and that was what started worrying me, when I saw the inside was wet last week, set me on the I need to do something pretty quick before it takes over, I was thinking burning a layer or two off the inside until I get back to the firm stuff then replace the TPE with layers of primer/tpe mix on the forearm skeleton in the hope it's not got a hold too far.
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The doll is a 2019 girl
Such a young 'un! That's frightening. Here's hoping it all turns out well for her
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Such a young 'un! That's frightening. Here's hoping it all turns out well for her
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