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Old 22-02-2021, 07:58 PM
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Default Broken or damaged wrists; are we responsible?

I have put this in the Fashion section because it concerns clothes and getting them on.

I noticed a few days ago Elinas’ left wrist looked somewhat odd, it was floppy and appeared elongated. I investigated, feeling where her skeleton ends the ‘wires*’ of her wrist felt broken, or at least I could feel the ends of one or two of them just beyond where her wrist should be. I was puzzled, she doesn’t use her left hand that much-being a right handed girl. I looked at and felt her right wrist, this looked and felt fine. What was going on, and what had caused it? I pondered this for a few days.






Yesterday I believed I had found the answer. It was me, I had caused it! I’ll explain. When she’s just lounging around the house she normally wears one of her jogging/track suits, they have elasticated wrist bands. I put my left hand/arm into the right sleeve, hold her hand in mine and push/pull the sleeve down with my right hand. Then I put my right hand/arm into the left sleeve, hold her hand in mine and pull/push the sleeve down with my left, or rather that’s what I thought I did. Actually I found that wasn’t the case, I was pulling her hand and arm through the sleeve with my right hand while I was pushing the sleeve down with my left.

This problem exists not only with jogging/track suits, think of sweat shirts and knitwear, in fact anything with an elasticated/woven/knitted wrist band. Indeed even her rather large (small size) polyester (satin) pyjama top is quite a challenge!

I am currently thinking along the lines of a plastic tube (think a round washing-up liquid bottle) placed over her hand/arm (almost up to the elbow) then put into the sleeve. The sleeve is pushed up the tube, then removed exposing the hand/arm with the sleeve part way up her arm.

If anyone has any other remedies or suggestions I’d like to hear them.

Regards

S.

* Elina does not have wires for her wrists. Five small diameter springs extend from a short ‘squashed’ tube at the end of her arm and continue into her palm where her finger wires are inserted into the ends.




One of the wrist springs exposed through a finger poke hole in her palm.
Her finger wires are about the same diameter as a paperclip.
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Old 22-02-2021, 11:37 PM
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I am currently thinking along the lines of a plastic tube (think a round washing-up liquid bottle) placed over her hand/arm (almost up to the elbow) then put into the sleeve. The sleeve is pushed up the tube, then removed exposing the hand/arm with the sleeve part way up her arm.
This works very well with short-sleeved clothing. But I've found with long sleeves, the tube gets stuck. With the sleeve squeezing/pressing the tube against her skin; which is grippy regardless of the amount of powder, anyway, making it difficult to slide out. Made worse when the tube is behind the hand, so if you try it, use a tube that's long enough to reach her elbow and cover her hand. But even then, care should be taken: I broke one of my ladies finger wires removing the tube.
I don't use the tube, these days. For short sleeves, I gape the cuff with both hands then carefully move it over her hands. For long sleeves, I use those freezer bags with the zip lock, they're thicker and more suited for this. I put a bag on her hand, zip it, then fold the excess. Sleeves and cuffs slide over very easy. Then it's just a matter of moving the sleeve up her arm a little, ready for making other adjustments elsewhere, before adjusting the sleeve down.
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Old 23-02-2021, 12:10 AM
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Hi,

those are finger wires. Look a lot like thick strings from a bass guitar. It wasn't as bad a design as many people think and sometimes finger wires straight to the wrist actually last longer than palm plates. You just need to be careful how you move the wrists.

To fix, you open the hand, drill them out completely (a lot more heavy duty than you would imagine. Thought it was going to need a dremel. Ended up using a black and decker hammer drill).

I use Gorilla epoxy resin to put the hands back together. You then leave that open for 24 hours (even though the Epoxy is solid in minutes) and then use heat and or tpe glue to put the TPE back totgether.

Until they are fixed you need to keep them from flopping around or you may damage the TPE. I use six inch rulers, a tube bandage and a couple of normal wrap bandages to hold a hand steady until you are ready to operate.

Couple of hints. Your will probably use quite a bit of baby oil for the area to be heated. once everything is fixed and she's seemingly perfect again don't be fooled. Leave her hands submerged in cornflour to pull out excess oil or you can end up with TPE rot (it can go green and sticky. Had it with a couple of my girls (both fixed) before I sussed what the issue was).

Good luck with the operation. Many of us have done it. First time is always the worst as it feels as if you are hurting them. And don't try starting it until you feel that you have ammassed all of the equipment, consumables that you feel that you will need for the job.

If you have a spare peice of TPE practice on that in a well ventilated area with the heat gun before you work on her actual TPE.

Tommo has some excellent instruction posts on the site that will really help when you come to do the operation.

Good luck,

Shamus.
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Also, make sure you're doing it in a sterile environment that isn't too dusty - as soon as you start to work on the TPE every piece of dust in a 3 mile radius is magically drawn towards the TPE and can leave a very dirty mess of a scar (as I discovered).
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Old 23-02-2021, 06:02 PM
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This works very well with short-sleeved clothing. But I've found with long sleeves, the tube gets stuck. With the sleeve squeezing/pressing the tube against her skin; which is grippy regardless of the amount of powder, anyway, making it difficult to slide out. Made worse when the tube is behind the hand, so if you try it, use a tube that's long enough to reach her elbow and cover her hand. But even then, care should be taken: I broke one of my ladies finger wires removing the tube.
I don't use the tube, these days. For short sleeves, I gape the cuff with both hands then carefully move it over her hands. For long sleeves, I use those freezer bags with the zip lock, they're thicker and more suited for this. I put a bag on her hand, zip it, then fold the excess. Sleeves and cuffs slide over very easy. Then it's just a matter of moving the sleeve up her arm a little, ready for making other adjustments elsewhere, before adjusting the sleeve down.
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Thanks Eco,The tube idea was just that, an idea that I hadn't fully worked out the downsides of. Your freezer bag seems like the answer. Regards S.

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Hi,

those are finger wires. No they are springs! the finger wire actually goes into them.

To fix, you open the hand, drill them out completely (a lot more heavy duty than you would imagine. Thought it was going to need a dremel. Ended up using a black and decker hammer drill).

I use Gorilla epoxy resin to put the hands back together. You then leave that open for 24 hours (even though the Epoxy is solid in minutes) and then use heat and or tpe glue to put the TPE back totgether.

Until they are fixed you need to keep them from flopping around or you may damage the TPE. I use six inch rulers, a tube bandage and a couple of normal wrap bandages to hold a hand steady until you are ready to operate.

Couple of hints. Your will probably use quite a bit of baby oil for the area to be heated. once everything is fixed and she's seemingly perfect again don't be fooled. Leave her hands submerged in cornflour to pull out excess oil or you can end up with TPE rot (it can go green and sticky. Had it with a couple of my girls (both fixed) before I sussed what the issue was).

Good luck with the operation. Many of us have done it. First time is always the worst as it feels as if you are hurting them.As long as Elina doesn't scream OW Ow Ow That hurts! I'll be fine And don't try starting it until you feel that you have ammassed all of the equipment, consumables that you feel that you will need for the job.

If you have a spare peice of TPE practice on that in a well ventilated area with the heat gun before you work on her actual TPE.

Tommo has some excellent instruction posts on the site that will really help when you come to do the operation.

Good luck,

Shamus.
Thanks Shamus for the sound advice. The springs seem to be held (I use that term very loosely) by about 2-3 mm in the fore-arm end, by what I have no idea as the spring I removed is completely clean.
Regards S.


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Also, make sure you're doing it in a sterile environment that isn't too dusty - as soon as you start to work on the TPE every piece of dust in a 3 mile radius is magically drawn towards the TPE and can leave a very dirty mess of a scar (as I discovered).
Thanks John, I was rolling around the floor with laughter! Sterile, dust free. My Edwardian house was, I'm sure built with dust and it relies on it to keep it standing. No matter I will (try to) follow your advice, Maybe erect a tent over the workspace/operating table.

As we have moved off clothing and onto repairs I am continuing this thread on the Maintenance & Repair section as there are some things I need to clarify.

Thanks once again,

Regards S.
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