A CUP OR A MUG ? Bra & Clothing Size Charts.

[Esjayell]

As some of you know I am looking for a new body for Rosina which has resulted in me searching numerous photo galleries of dolls on almost as many web sites. Whilst doing this a thought came to me. It reminded me of the beauty pageants of the 50s/60s/ & 70s. Think Miss World. For quite a while I continued with my search, writing down the stats of all the dolls I found that would be included on my first shopping list before I do the ‘weeding.’ One of last years (2019) casualties of my cull was the WM 153A. This was dropped because I couldn’t find any nude pics of her.
It was whilst I was compiling the list that I noticed something, something rather intriguing with the measurements. To illustrate what I found let me get the measurements of the 153A.

Bust: 78 (31) Waist: 56 (22) Hips: 82 (32)

As I thought about the Miss World competition I remembered the ‘ideal’ female ‘hourglass’ shape, their ‘vital statistics’ as they were called then being 36-24-37. If we add 153mm (6”) to the above figures we get:

Bust: 933mm (37) Waist: 713mm (28) Hips: 973mm (38)

which is not far from the ‘ideal hourglass figure’ of over fifty years ago, except during this time womens sizes have changed dramatically. For example a woman with a bust of 36” now has a waist of 30” and hips of 39.5”according to a well known online store whose sizing charts are below. Incidently these are Womens Fashion Sizes. I have not included (as they weren’t there) size charts for non fashion as most/all of our dolls are “fashionistas.” A 13 year old girl whose height is given as 158cm (66”) has a chest/bust of 85 (33.5”) and a waist of 69 (27.2”).

Trousers/Jeans and Shorts Size charts are also included along with Beachwear and Nightwear. Just to ensure that everything is covered I’ve included a rather accurate, or so its seems, Bra Chart. Measure around the fullest part of the bust, then under the bust (also called Band) keeping the tape level all the way around. Look up the bust size on the left and the under bust along the top, where they intersect is the bra and cup size. Elina tried it out and discovered she is actually an A cup, guess I’ll be going to Primark soon then, if they’re open! Have fun!

Regards S.


http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3450&pictureid=78830

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3450&pictureid=78833

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3450&pictureid=78832

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3450&pictureid=78831

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3450&pictureid=78829

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3450&pictureid=78834

[oldgreysoulboy]

This is useful stuff. It suggests that Alyssa (WM153) is basically a size 8 with a size 6 waist.

It doesn't help right now as I have admitted defeat on trying to get her into a pair of jean shorts that were just a tad too small for her cuddly arse. It's made for an interesting but unproductive afternoon.

She doesn't like bras and certainly doesn't need them with her perky breasts.

Ogsby

[shamus]

When manufacturers state cup sizes they lie... Simples.

Just look at a 166C's breast next to a 151C's and straight away you will be shaking your head.

You may find my chart that we used with the Jinsan bodies thread useful

https://i.ibb.co/XWxDHWg/List-20190729.jpg (https://ibb.co/JcjqZc4)

The figures in the chart are not all generally published data but also corrections applied from owners.

The height to weight ratio is my addition. for those wanting taller dolls that don't break your back lifting them thats one of the key measures. General rule there is the lower the ratio the better.

The list hasn't been updated for some time. Nothing under 148 is included and the very newest WM's, YL's and OR's will be missing. I will add those when I get chance.

HTH,

Shamus.

[oldgreysoulboy]

The list hasn't been updated for some time. Nothing under 148 is included and the very newest WM's, YL's and OR's will be missing. I will add those when I get chance.

The WM 153 you have does not share the same dimensions as Alyssa. It does seem to have come out in different versions? I don't know.

Still, I'll be looking at this as I ponder over Cat's future.
Ogsby

[shamus]

The WM 153 you have does not share the same dimensions as Alyssa. It does seem to have come out in different versions? I don't know.

Still, I'll be looking at this as I ponder over Cat's future.
Ogsby

Hi Ogsby.

Which measurements are different if you don't mind me asking?

I know that she is generally advertised as a B by UK vendors but her actual Jinsan listing has her as an A cup.

All the best,

Shamus.

[oldgreysoulboy]

Hi Ogsby.

Which measurements are different if you don't mind me asking?



Tomorrow, I'll measure her again tomorrow using your chart. Tonight we are going to quietly burn the remains of 2020 into a very mixed memory.

Ogsby

[psion satori]

Clothes sizes are a nightmare, they vary from one shop to another. A size 4 from Primark with be completely different to a size 4 for from M&S and bra sizes are even worse.

....and don't get me started on doll measurements from manufacturers/vendors :slaphead

Seriously, the only way to get clothes that fit is by trial and error - stretchy stuff is your friend :tu

That's one of the reasons I try and post the size and make of the outfits my girls wear in their shoots.

Psion

[Tommo10]

Clothes sizes are a nightmare, they vary from one shop to another. A size 4 from Primark with be completely different to a size 4 for from M&S and bra sizes are even worse.

....and don't get me started on doll measurements from manufacturers/vendors :slaphead

Seriously, the only way to get clothes that fit is by trial and error - stretchy stuff is your friend :tu

That's one of the reasons I try and post the size and make of the outfits my girls wear in their shoots.

Psion

Exactly :tu

There is another way around this, but it's a bloody expensive one. :D

Then you can still buy something that won't bloody fit any of them . :wall

[psion satori]

There is another way around this, but it's a bloody expensive one. :D


....and they get fat once they have their feet under the table so none of the sexy clobber fits after a couple of years!

Psion

[poppy70]

....and they get fat once they have their feet under the table so none of the sexy clobber fits after a couple of years!

Psion

Oh Psion, I think you got Tommo completely wrong :D A seamstress making clothes to fit is the way to go. Bloody expensive too but will always fit your doll...

As one of the new skills of doll owners we could attend to a sewing course. "How to sew beautiful clothes - from a doll owner" the new bestselling online webcast.

J

[psion satori]

Ha ha, and I've not even finished the second bottle yet!

Psion

[oldgreysoulboy]

Hi Ogsby.

Which measurements are different if you don't mind me asking?

I know that she is generally advertised as a B by UK vendors but her actual Jinsan listing has her as an A cup.

All the best,

Shamus.

Hi Shamus
I have finally got my measuring tape out! She has slightly different chest and waist measurements (see the attached picture) to those recorded by Seth, enough I think to make her a B cup!

However she doesn't wear a bra. :twisted:

Ogsby

[shamus]

Hi Shamus
I have finally got my measuring tape out! She has slightly different chest and waist measurements (see the attached picture) to those recorded by Seth, enough I think to make her a B cup!

However she doesn't wear a bra. :twisted:

Ogsby

Hi Ogsby,

some of the breast sizes are very close. Also soft squidgy things on the front can vary slightly plus you also have to factor in that gel breasts and air bags will alter the size a little.

I can't remember are Alissa's standard breasts or enhanced in any way?

[oldgreysoulboy]

Hi Ogsby,

some of the breast sizes are very close. Also soft squidgy things on the front can vary slightly plus you also have to factor in that gel breasts and air bags will alter the size a little.

I can't remember are Alissa's standard breasts or enhanced in any way?

Ah yes, they're gel which will make a difference.

Ogsby

[shamus]

Ah yes, they're gel which will make a difference.

Ogsby

The mystery resolved :tu

Had a similar conversation with Sam last year comparing angels breasts with the 151C that he had bought that has gel breasts which are more rounded than Angels.

Hope that you are having a good day matey,

All the best,

Shamus

[oldgreysoulboy]

The mystery resolved :tu

Had a similar conversation with Sam last year comparing angels breasts with the 151C that he had bought that has gel breasts which are more rounded than Angels.

Hope that you are having a good day matey,

All the best,

Shamus

Just idly looking ... I notice that the WM155A comes in at 5 kg lighter than the 153! But a 40 cm waist? That's very tiny. I'll have to hunt for pictures of that for when my next couple of grand magically appears in my bank account!

Probably best discussed in a different thread.

Ogsby.

[shamus]

Just idly looking ... I notice that the WM155A comes in at 5 kg lighter than the 153! But a 40 cm waist? That's very tiny. I'll have to hunt for pictures of that for when my next couple of grand magically appears in my bank account!

Probably best discussed in a different thread.

Ogsby.

There are a couple of WM 155's with very thin waspie waists (A and DD have similar skinny mid sections). Not my cup of tea as they don't seem as realistic as girls with a bit more meat on their bones. But it REALLY! keeps their weight down. i.e. the WM 155A is only 26kg which combined with A cups may cause issues with importing.

If you are looking at A cup 155's take a look instead at the YL155A whose figure isn't a million miles from the WM153A.

https://i.ibb.co/HNjXNT9/YDElf10-540x.webp (https://ibb.co/7gqbgt0)
https://i.ibb.co/0yYCxtR/Yuki155-3-540x.webp (https://imgbb.com/)

Be careful though that the vendor knows what they are advertising as with the YL 155A there are two variants so ensure that they know which one they are ordering. The A or the A Custom.

Shamus.

[Matt35uk]

I'd quibble quite a few of those WM 157B measurements in the table. Even the B cup part isn't really correct :)

[shamus]

I'd quibble quite a few of those WM 157B measurements in the table. Even the B cup part isn't really correct :)

Hi Matt,

Do you have your measurements and Hannah's DOB. We could then perhaps compare her against say Algaes and Tommo's 157B's. Again hopefully with dates of birth.

The number of that model they make it would not surprise me at all if they have had to remake the mould.

I've certainly pondered myself Hannahs breasts compared to Allies or Gingers.

I'll have money on it that we end up with at least two different sets of stats and it would also not surprise me if the changeover happened at arround the same time as the move from the older TPE to the modern Jinsan TPE blends.

All the best,

Shamus.

[Matt35uk]

These are the measurements I have. Some of them are significantly different. She was born in Augus 2018.

Bust: 66/67 cm
Underbust: 53/54 cm
Waist: 49 cm
Hips: 77 cm
Shoulder to shoulder: 30cm
Clavicle to crotch: 51cm
Crotch to ankle: 72cm
Shoulder to wrist: 53cm

The 5 inch difference between her bust and underbust would make her more like a DD cup technically, although she does tend to wear B cups since I have to get much bigger band sizes. Hard to say though since there seem to be a billion conflicting ways of calculating it for some reason.

[Muninn]

Hi Shamus
I have finally got my measuring tape out! She has slightly different chest and waist measurements (see the attached picture) to those recorded by Seth, enough I think to make her a B cup!

However she doesn't wear a bra. :twisted:

Ogsby
For some reason I've only just realised that Alyssa and Lynne are both WM153!

If Lynne does bother wearing a bra, she has a couple that are 30A, which are maybe a little small in the cups, and also a 32B (I think) which fits fairly well - I went slightly larger as otherwise her nipples poked out over the top of the cup!

I'll get the measuring tape out tomorrow, it'll be interesting to see if there's any difference over the three years I've been with her. Not going to do it just now as it's work tomorrow, and I really should be snuggling up with the blonde bombshell beside me (there might be some boob exploration going on, but it won't be scientific ;) ).

[shamus]

These are the measurements I have. Some of them are significantly different. She was born in Augus 2018.

Bust: 66/67 cm
Underbust: 53/54 cm
Waist: 49 cm
Hips: 77 cm
Shoulder to shoulder: 30cm
Clavicle to crotch: 51cm
Crotch to ankle: 72cm
Shoulder to wrist: 53cm

The 5 inch difference between her bust and underbust would make her more like a DD cup technically, although she does tend to wear B cups since I have to get much bigger band sizes. Hard to say though since there seem to be a billion conflicting ways of calculating it for some reason.

Cheers Matt :tu

Hope that Hannah didn't complain too much about cold hands or being tickled whilst you were about it.

August 2018 is the date that I've got for first release of the 157B which is obviously a reworking as I've found mention of people ordering 157B's on TDF from as early as October 2017.

will be interesting if we can get some comparative measurements from other owners especially early variants of that body.

All the best,

Shamus.

[algaeholics]

My 157B was second hand, so her age is unknown, sorry. :o

[Seth]

Just for the record, I think I appear on the body spreadsheet because I provided some pics of the WM153A for the thread. I've never measured the body I own. Also, when I ordered my WM153A in May 2019, she was listed as a WM153C.

I can also remember a thread somewhere discussing the WM153A as there possibly might have been 2 versions of this body. I can't find the thread, but I remember SDL posting pics of another version (possibly older) of the 153 which had different shaped breasts.

My WM157B is from July 2019 but no idea what her measurements are neither.

[Matt35uk]

August 2018 is the date that I've got for first release of the 157B which is obviously a reworking as I've found mention of people ordering 157B's on TDF from as early as October 2017.

Yeah that's definitely wrong as they'd been around a while when I ordered.

[Muninn]

Just for the record, I think I appear on the body spreadsheet because I provided some pics of the WM153A for the thread. I've never measured the body I own. Also, when I ordered my WM153A in May 2019, she was listed as a WM153C.

I can also remember a thread somewhere discussing the WM153A as there possibly might have been 2 versions of this body. I can't find the thread, but I remember SDL posting pics of another version (possibly older) of the 153 which had different shaped breasts.

My WM157B is from July 2019 but no idea what her measurements are neither.

Ok, so Lynne let me measure her this evening, and these are the figures in cm (inch conversions made):
Bust: 77 (30.3")
Underbust: 64 (25.2")
Waist: 58 (22.8)
Hips: 82 (32.3)
Inside Leg: 71 (28)
Shoulder to Shoulder:34 (13.4")
Clavicle to Crotch: 36 (14.2")

She arrived with me in early January 2018, so produced in late Nov/Dec 2017. As I said before she can wear a 30A bra, but it seems like a size bigger would be better:

https://i.ibb.co/P5zPWJp/IMG-1663e.jpg (https://ibb.co/p3rMKND)

And as for shape, Lynne agreed to pose for purely scientific research purposes... ;)

https://i.ibb.co/rHWhQTz/CRW-2952.jpg (https://ibb.co/BB1JfdQ)

[oldgreysoulboy]

Ok, so Lynne let me measure her this evening, and these are the figures in cm (inch conversions made):
Bust: 77 (30.3")
Underbust: 64 (25.2")
Waist: 58 (22.8)
Hips: 82 (32.3)
Inside Leg: 71 (28)
Shoulder to Shoulder:34 (13.4")
Clavicle to Crotch: 36 (14.2")



Thanks Muninn.
Slightly different again!
I can only conclude in agreement with Shamus is that Alyssa's gel enhancements are what make her slightly larger and a more certain B Cup. I have remeasured Alyssa again and I did get the waist wrong, she is actually 60cm (~24") which makes more sense.

Overall though her form is very pleasing and attractive to me. As Lynne is to you ;)

[shamus]

Overall though her form is very pleasing and attractive to me. As Lynne is to you ;)

And me, and me, and me... Went up the cry from accross the entire Lynne appreciation society site.
:D

[Karrot]

https://i.ibb.co/rHWhQTz/CRW-2952.jpg (https://ibb.co/BB1JfdQ)

So nice to see another lady who appreciates the fullness of womanhood! :tu

Off topic here, but I would be very interested to know (Im sure Im not the only one) how Lynne has managed such a healthy lady garden

K

[shamus]

I would be very interested to know (Im sure Im not the only one) how Lynne has managed such a healthy lady garden

K

Pubity :D

[Karrot]

Pubity :D

This is for you.....

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=1701&pictureid=81226

K
:21:21:21

[Muninn]

Off topic here, but I would be very interested to know (Im sure Im not the only one) how Lynne has managed such a healthy lady garden

K
Trade secret, but let's say I had a moment of inspiration when I was giving my beard a trim ;)

[Esjayell]

Consider the breasts of theses two, which one has the bigger breasts?

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3342&pictureid=81233

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3342&pictureid=81234


Most of you will have probably said the bottom one. Actually you are wrong! The measurements of the top one are:
78 (30.5) 56 (22) 82 (32) 29kgs The bottom one is:
73 (28.75) 58 (23) 79 (31) 28kgs

They are: top 153A bottom 156C

Two things that have been overlooked so far are what I refer to as ‘Protrusion’ and ‘Parting.’ Looking at the top one (and Lynne) the distance between the nipples is far greater than that of the lower one. The breasts are smaller in width, but protrude further, consider the difference between her waist and bust measurement. 30.5-22 = 7.5, each breast protrudes 3.75 inches. On the bottom one the protrusion is 5.75 total, each breast protrudes 2.875. They are however closer together, or rather they extend across the chest further. It’s this I refer to as the ‘Parting.’ It also effects the cup size.

Think of a pint of beer served in a tankard, it is short but wide, (bottom one), now pour the pint into a milk bottle, it still fits because its taller and narrow (top one).

Before you all shout at me, claiming that you were right by saying the bottom one, certainly they are wider but they are not bigger, which was the question.

Finally consider this fact the WM 158D has a waist to bust difference of 10 inches, just 2.5 inches more than the 153A.

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3342&pictureid=81235

Her measurements are 86 (34) 61 (24) 86 (34)



Ogsby, You are right regarding sizes; size 6 top 8 bottom. However I have found Primark to be very generous with their sizes Elina can wear size 6 in both areas. Other stores are very much hit or miss. BodyCon (Body Contoured) dresses are a real challenge. They have to be pulled up from the feet and wriggled into. Once on, sitting is very risky, either undo the zip first or get your sewing machine fired up ready! I speak from experience.

Regards

SJL

[shamus]

[SIZE="4"]Consider the breasts of theses two, which one has the bigger breasts?

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3342&pictureid=81233

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3342&pictureid=81234


Most of you will have probably said the bottom one. Actually you are wrong! The measurements of the top one are:
78 (30.5) 56 (22) 82 (32) 29kgs The bottom one is:
73 (28.75) 58 (23) 79 (31) 28kgs

They are: top 153A bottom 156C



Hi,

I agree with the top one (she's head #167)

However, I believe that you will find that the bottom one is actually an OR156D (with head #31).

That one's measurements are :

80, 56, 82 and weighs 27.5kg.

So, I would have got it wrong as at first glance I would have said the top one had larger breasts but it's actually the bottom one that is larger.

Shamus

[svevo]

Consider the breasts of theses two, which one has the bigger breasts?
SJL

On bra sizes, if the question is 'which has the larger cup size', which I was assuming it is given the discussion relating to manufacturers using A, C D etc in their model description, the problem is the manufacturers rarely (if ever), give the band size measurement. Without it you cannot work out what size bra will be the best fit. It's best to get measurements from someone who has the doll for both that reason and because, for many manufacturers, any measurements of any dimension they make, has to be treated with caution :rolleyes:

[Esjayell]

To confirm what I stated above is correct, here are the links to the web site.

WM 153A Paris in black lingerie

https://www.thesilverdoll.co.uk/doll-gallery/wm-dolls-153cm-paris-in-black-lingerie/

WM 156C Xiaoyu takes a shower

https://www.thesilverdoll.co.uk/doll-gallery/wm-dolls-156cm-xiaoyu-takes-a-shower/


WM 158D Kirsten with curly hair

https://www.thesilverdoll.co.uk/doll-gallery/wm-dolls-158cm-kirsten-with-curly%20hair/


OR 156D Sara with white hair

https://www.thesilverdoll.co.uk/doll-gallery/or-doll-156cm-d-cup-sara-with-white-hair/

The breasts on this doll are very 'ball' like and extend significantly beyond the chest edge.

I trust this clarifies what I had previously posted as being correct.

SJL

[shamus]

We'll agree to differ on this one. I'm not challenging any of the others but I believe that the second girl is an OR, not a WM.

Just went back a page from the OR156D linked girl that you gave and not all of those listed images are 156D's! They've also thrown in a couple of E's just to mix it up a bit (but they are all OR's).

Its a right of passage that we all develop very jaundiced views of whether the dolls in the images are actually the dolls in the stats. Generally it's not even really the vendors faults as they get as confused as we do.

That contested set of pics is really old. The photographer did two sets back to back with the same body but with heads #20 and #31. Back then a lot of the heads were very similar and at first glance my initial thought was Ooh, its #20 on the OR156D, not seen her in a while. But second glance I saw that it was #31 but same body and same backdrop.

Back then the TPE was firmer making the breasts just that bit perkier. OR no longer carry those sets on their own site as the old rubber bodies are not completely comparable to the newer softer variants.

If you want to take a serious look into that track down a pic of Algae's Allie as she is getting into the bath and compare her breasts to those of Matts girl (lol, there are definitely worse hobbies to have than this, lol). Those are 157B's of course but its the same principle.

For an up to date photset of the WM 156C look up the sets of photo's of head #314 and note that the waist seems slimmer than the images of the girl that Silverdoll identified as a WM 156C

If you speak to them they will just say, ah, its a really old photoshoot using a different version of that doll where I am sure that the doll is an OR.

If you revisit your original thread with the WM 156C from the #314 shoots it will all fit again... although its a different doll that you are comparing to.

HTH,

Shamus.

[ranger42]

I believe that the second doll is a WM 156C, I've had my eye on this model for years.
https://reallovesexdolls.com/5ft1-156cm-c-cup-wm-doll/

Edit: Compare the body to the photo numbered "11" here: https://web.archive.org/web/20171101215216/http://wmdolls.com/photos/index.php?/category/233

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=2946&pictureid=81243

[shamus]

Hiya Ranger,

hope that you are well matey.

ok, a side by side....

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=2355&pictureid=81244

To me these are not the same girl. The WM is slimmer (stomach and thighs). There is less rib defenition although some of that may be down to the skin tone.
Torso seems longer with the breasts set higher.

abdomen area seems totally different.

Greater distance between the growler and the belly button.

Neck definition not so pronounced.

I am really not seeing them as the same body.

What are your views when comparing side by side?

All the best,

Shamus.

[shamus]

Hi again Ranger,

we crossed.

just checked them and I don't think that photo 11 is the same body as girl in the original link.

Look at the neck and clavical then compare to the other girl. Then compare photo 11 to the girl with head #314. I can see the link between those two and have every confidence that photo 11 is an early iteration of the WM 156C... But not the other photo shoot which as detailed in the previous post you can really see the differences in the bodies.

[ranger42]

Comparing the original to a photo from wmdolls.com

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=3342&pictureid=81234

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=2946&pictureid=81243

Looks the same to me.
Flat, bright lighting and pale skin tone don't help, but the same features are there in this shoot

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=2946&pictureid=81245

[psion satori]

Aye right, blame the tog! :21

Psion

[shamus]

ok, back to side by side.

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/forum/picture.php?albumid=2355&pictureid=81246

Lets call them A, B and C.

A is the skin tone that she would be so if B is the same body the skin tone has been adjusted... That could explain the different definition of the ribs but doesn't explain the different muscle structure in the neck.

Whilst there is a question mark over those two it is possible that they are indeed both the same model. Body C though which will be the body from which the measurements were gathered is not the same body as A and B. To me she doesn't even look close to being the same proportions or detailing.

I wouldn't kick any of them out of bed for eating crisps, but my feeling is that at least one of them is not the same model as the others.

All the best,

Shamus.

[shamus]

Aye right, blame the tog! :21

Psion

Ey up Mr Popular. your pm's are full.

[ranger42]

To me it looks like the differences can be explained by pose, lighting, and I think C has received some image smoothing. I have seen these kind of lighting differences in both doll photography and also lunar photography - light something at an angle and you exaggerate the details, blasting it with light from the front flattens everything out and the details disappear.
I have seen other photoshoots of the 156C in natural where the detailing is nowhere near as clear.
A and B are definitely WM156C in my view, back in 2017/2018 when I was searching for the doll that eventually became Leah I spent a lot of time looking at these photos.