Making the best of Julia
 

Hi,

Julia is a bit "miserable" looking sometimes. She has asked me whether any of the experts on the forum have a view as to how she can make the best of herself.

Here are a couple of examples.

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89040 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89041

To my untrained eyes the second makes her look "better".

To me, in the first her open mouth is ok but looks much better at an upward angle.

I suspect her eyelashes and eyelids look heavy in the first photo. Perhaps not helped by the downward angle the lashes help create.

Any gentle suggestions (so as not to upset her) are invited.

And with eyes hidden

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89042 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89043

Hi Tex.

Shes beautiful as she is, but I understand the lack of her smile on occasion. I can introduce her to faceapp if you wish....


Want me to look at those above?

I don't think that its anything so complex.... You forgot to buy her an Easter egg didn't you!

Off to the shop with you now (if you can find one thats open) and put a smile back on the poor lasses face.

Shamus.

That would be interesting to see. Please feel free to use any Julia images that will show what can be done and perhaps where she might be "cheered up".

Damn, you would suggest that great idea today of all days!

Well, I think she looks lovely. To the point, if her eyelashes were curled up more at the corners of her eyes, that would give a more happy look. Maybe lightening the eyeshadow between her eyebrow and eyelid or changing its angular shape to something that blends out softer, especially at the corners of her eyes. Possibly only having eyeshadow on her eyelids?

eco

Thank you, this is the sort of excellent help she was hoping for.
There is a painted dark eyeshadow and eyelids, apart from anything i helped her to put on. I will have a chat with her to see if we can hide it with something lighter.

I have a feeling the existing eyelashes will have to come off (they have tried several times already) and start afresh with something that curls up more to show a little more of her eyes.

You are certainly right that lightening that area will make her look more of a happy bunny (note the Easter reference:))

Don't tell and cruelty organisations but i have taken her tongue out (it just sat in her mouth) so her mouth will naturally close a bit more.

Eyebrows indicate a deep frown, particularly in the first of those two photos.

Oh, and move those eyes! :rulez

The eyes are the windows of the soul...

The first pic... The outer corner of the eyes look lower.. The 2nd pic you obviously changed camera angle and she looks happier. I remember when i first got skye she always looked pissed off. They cant change their expression so we have to do it for them and when you get it just right its a lovely feeling

Yes, she does look happier when photographed from lower down.

Lighter eyebrows and eyelids - didn't quite come out to the colour i thought but lighter.

Eye positions are a bit of a pain, movement tends to be a bit clunky and despite me telling her not to move they change position when she moves her head.

Having said that i think perhaps a bit of an improvement?

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89064 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89063 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89062

Her left eyelid is a bit different from the right one so need to look at that.

I find that when I take photos of Callie, if i want her looking towards the camera, she looks better when she is looking directly at the lens, as if there is a connection to her soul.

I have been posing her, looking into her eyes, then putting the camera lens infront of where my eye is. I have been doing this with both the dslr and phone cameras.

I haven't done much close-up, more the upper or whole body and try to angle her head and eyes to change the perceived emotion

Probably asking for trouble - facing shots

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89070 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89071

I guess from the flash reflection in her eyes she is at least looking at the camera!

OK... so that's the passport sorted... What next? :p

Cool, we can go clubbing in Majorca now :tu

So, how little can she wear without getting into trouble?

Ah, to give a accurate answer, we need to see exactly how revealing it is. :whistle:

Good point, i will suggest a fashion show :)

Just looking at the first two photos it‘s about the pupil. In the first one the eyelids cover her pupil which makes her look tired or unhappy. With the second photo from further down the pupils are free, which makes her look awake.
So when you take photos from further above you have to make her look further down, so the eye is free, and the angle on her mouth may even convey a smile.
You „just“ need to learn to pose the eyes correctly which is quite some work.

Good luck with your beautiful model.

Jo

With many thanks to GazzaGreen here are some FaceApp smiles

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89077 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89076

http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89074 http://www.uklovedollforums.co.uk/fo...ictureid=89075

Much appreciated Gazza, you made her look really special :tu

Thank you, that is excellent advice.
I am finding eyes a "challenge" but as you quite rightly say it makes a big difference.

Anytime Tex.

I will be using this app for most of my photography, not just smiles which are really limited in their number, but also for the subtle changes, like adding volume to her hair and adding to her freckles if they look too faded in the light. Also darkening or lightening her lipstick and things like that. You can even change the hair style to something shorter, or curly or straight etc.

Used in moderation, which I starting to learn to do, "Its magic."

not real sure how to work these girls since i only have a teddy babe. to me in the first two pics her eyes look too shut like the eye backs or stuffing need to be increased to push the eye out more so they are more open if that makes sense.

carlys_guy

Yes i wish there was a way to lift her eyelids, possibly have to start by removing the eyelashes but it all sounds a bit open to going wrong. They certainly do not move smoothly when being re-positioned.

News update: Julia laid low for a while due to her eyelash falling off :eek:

Don't worry, Kim's eye lashes always falling off, I've become quite good at re-gluing them.

Not if you use the right glue they don't :tu

One thing is for sure, eyelash glue is somewhere between useless and not very good on silicone.

I now know, as well, that pre glued eyelashes essentially have the glue on the wrong side as they are designed to stick to the top of existing eyelashes not to the eyelids.

Life can be tedious sometimes and all i get from Julia is "get on with it and stop moaning"!

This is the kind of thing you need...

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/produc...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Good pointer, thanks

So basically, turn her into someone else completely then. :24

That's what I wish to avoid. Subtle changes are the name of the game when Regina arrives. Kimberley doesn't have detailed features so I can do alittle more with her.

Changing hair is just like changing her wig to see what a different wig looks like. No different.

Aristocratic. Sophisticated. Haughty. Beyond my reach.

Fiona Bruce ? Still beyond my reach.

Perhaps!

She doesn't look quite so good with only one eyelash though!

Sil-Poxy ordered so hopefully symmetrical eyelashes again soon!

Just be very light with the application of sil-poxy when attaching the eyelash. once its cured the sil-poxy will never come off as its a silicone to silicone bond, but the eyelash could still pull away.

As for eye position, Poppy has nailed it with the pupil position.

If you do a quick google for eyes when they look up you can see the upper lid retracts and the pupil never comes in contact with the edge of the upper lid. Sadly our girls cant do this, so we have to limit upward movement and be vary careful how we position the pupil on the upper lid.

As Algae says, the eyes are the window to the soul, left-right movement is as important as up down. Remember also that as we look at things close to us out eyes actually begin to cross, co if you are doing closer in photography and she's looking down the lens her eyes may not actually be symmetrically placed.

Julia is stunningly realistic and detailed, and this makes her less forgiving. Its amazing what the human eye will "fill in" if its not there or just hinted at, but give it a lot of details and it seeks out the flaws.

K

Nice photos mate natural face 🙂

Good advice about sil-poxy thanks, it seems more expensive weight for weight than gold!

She certainly makes me go cross eyed, it will help if the eyelashes stay on while moving her eyes. Or, she will just have to wear shades forever!

I am far from expert on any thing, but there is one thing that I find can make some faces look a bit more cheerful. If the lipstick coms to a vary fine up-curled point on both sides where the upper and lower lips meet. It takes a steady hand and a fine brush. It should be curled up ever so slightly and not be too thick so as not to make her look clownish at all.
That doesn't work on all faces, but might be worth a try.