Hello

[Willus]

Wait a minute... So tying together this and something I learned in another thread:

I'd have to pay £35 for a picture of the doll I'm buying from Lucid, which they are advertising using stolen copyright pictures of a different doll made by a different company?

That's shady as fuck.


Mandos, your pictures are incredible and are the reason I bought my dolls. Thank you for being an inspiration.

[Edit Samurai] Sorry willus, i have had to delete your last line in this post as there are better ways to get your point accross without using that terminology.

[shamus]

Originally Posted by Willus

I'd have to pay £35 for a picture of the doll I'm buying from Lucid, which they are advertising using stolen copyright pictures of a different doll made by a different company?

It gets worse.

Mandos's pics also appear in the clearance section as images of different dolls to the ones that advertised as imperfects (RF190 and RF196).

Come on Lucid, I thought this had all been sorted out... You're better than this.

Even if the manufacturer does supply you with the pics its just not on using images that you must know are of WM 157B's to sell Jarliet (I assume from our previous chat) 158D's.

Can you please remove all of those pics from your site.

Many thanks,

Shamus.

[Willus]

Originally Posted by Willus

[Edit Samurai] Sorry willus, i have had to delete your last line in this post as there are better ways to get your point accross without using that terminology.

But they're basically scam artists preying on the fact that most people who will buy from them are people making impulse purchases after finding a cheap option. They're banking on the fact that the majority of people won't contest a wrongly advertised doll because they either don't know any better or they're embarrassed to do so.

From what I understand they have been made aware of the copyright infringement of their images a long time ago and yet they persist in using those images without consent.

Either they don't know the products they sell and are incapable of comparing an image to a physical object or they are knowingly continuing to falsely advertise using Mandos' images to promote completely different (and lower quality) products.

That is utterly disgusting, and if it were any other industry they'd have been crushed in court long ago. It's like selling a VW Golf using images of a Mercedes A180. Telling them to "sort their shit out" as I did and you edited is being POLITE. I don't understand why they're allowed to be here and take advantage of free publicity.

If they had any integrity they would have removed those images long ago and diligently checked every single image they are provided by their suppliers moving forward. They didn't do that, so I have to assume they are deliberate scammers.

[Tommo10]

The thread is now locked, pending investigation over the photos.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Willus

But they're basically scam artists preying on the fact that most people who will buy from them are people making impulse purchases after finding a cheap option. They're banking on the fact that the majority of people won't contest a wrongly advertised doll because they either don't know any better or they're embarrassed to do so.

From what I understand they have been made aware of the copyright infringement of their images a long time ago and yet they persist in using those images without consent.

Either they don't know the products they sell and are incapable of comparing an image to a physical object or they are knowingly continuing to falsely advertise using Mandos' images to promote completely different (and lower quality) products.

That is utterly disgusting, and if it were any other industry they'd have been crushed in court long ago. It's like selling a VW Golf using images of a Mercedes A180. Telling them to "sort their shit out" as I did and you edited is being POLITE. I don't understand why they're allowed to be here and take advantage of free publicity.

If they had any integrity they would have removed those images long ago and diligently checked every single image they are provided by their suppliers moving forward. They didn't do that, so I have to assume they are deliberate scammers.

Hi Willus, I just like to give people the benifit of the doubt, and maybe even give second chances to people who may have changed their ways.

That's not to say you are wrong, in fact you make valid points but i prefer to get as many facts as i can before i judge and get the other parties side of the story.

I read above that these are the photos sent to them from their supplier, if this is true then initialy they are not directly responsible, however once informed that these photos are "Stolen" Or not an acurate description of the item they are selling then at this point if they do nothing to correct this then they do become jointly responsible for "scamming thier customers" and if we allow them to advertise on this site and do nothing the we are also in some way responsible for new doll owners getting something that they have not paid for or buying a fake doll etc..

But there are ways of dealing with this other than going straight for the jugular, It's nice to be nice.

I refer to a scene in the movie Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze when he says Be nice untill it's time not to be nice....

Love that bit..

We are on it ( In a nice way)

Samurai..

[Samurai]

Ok so here we go again.

A quick recap >>>

Lucidtoys joined the ukldf back in 2019 at that time there was a lot of pictures of WM dolls used on their site to advertise dolls that were not made by WM Dolls {and others}, They were given around 6 months i believe to remove these picture and replace with pictures of the actual dolls they had for sale.

For some reason they failed to do this so therefore their membership of this site was revoked, as we did not want to be associated with a company who were selling dolls using photos (not only without the permission of the owner of said photos) but also of products they did not have in stock, i.e genuine WM Dolls . (and others)

We would then also be partly responsible in helping them advertise (though this site) in selling fake or counterfeit dolls posed as genuine WM dolls.

Ok so that was then, so how about second chances as a lot of the photos they used back in 2019 have gone and been replaced with actual photos of the dolls they are selling.

Though it would appear some still remain....

So at this point I/We ask that if Lucidtoys wish to continue be a member and also to use this site to advertise their dolls for sale then in order for this to happen All Of Mandos photos be removed from the Lucidtoys website and be replaced with photos of the actual dolls for sale.

This is not as difficult is it may seem as all the need s doing is open the box take out your camera phone and take some pictures, This way potential buyers can actualy see what they are buying, rather than glossy professional pictures, because when you open that box the dolls look very little like the promo pic's anyway.

There are 2 ways forward as i see it.

1/ For Lucidtoys to do nothing and leave their site the way it is which offcouse would result in termination of their membership for a second time.

Or

2/ For either Lucidtoys to ask Mandos or even Members on this site to point out the dolls advertised on lucidtoys website that are an infringement on copyrite/ or photos of Wm and YL dolls that they are unaware of and remove these images and replace with correct images of the doll for sale.
If these images were sent from there supplier then they also may be unaware of what is a genuine wm photo and whats in the box.
If they are willing to do this then i am sure there are members here who are willing to help.


This site and it's owners can not be associated and knowingly turn a blind eye to any Vendor using false picture's to advertise their products on the UKLDF.

If Lucidtouys are willing to remove these pictures and replace them with actual photo's of the dolls they have for sale then they will be welcome to remain and even advertise their dolls and any special offers to UKLD members.

If on the other hand for whatever reason they can't or are not willing to do this then unfortunately we will have no choice but to cancel there second time membership of this site and it is highly unlikly there will be a third membership approval.

Samurai/Tommo (Admins)

[Lucidtoys]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Ok so here we go again.

A quick recap >>>

Lucidtoys joined the ukldf back in 2019 at that time there was a lot of pictures of WM dolls used on their site to advertise dolls that were not made by WM Dolls {and others}, They were given around 6 months i believe to remove these picture and replace with pictures of the actual dolls they had for sale.

For some reason they failed to do this so therefore their membership of this site was revoked, as we did not want to be associated with a company who were selling dolls using photos (not only without the permission of the owner of said photos) but also of products they did not have in stock, i.e genuine WM Dolls . (and others)

We would then also be partly responsible in helping them advertise (though this site) in selling fake or counterfeit dolls posed as genuine WM dolls.

Ok so that was then, so how about second chances as a lot of the photos they used back in 2019 have gone and been replaced with actual photos of the dolls they are selling.

Though it would appear some still remain....

So at this point I/We ask that if Lucidtoys wish to continue be a member and also to use this site to advertise their dolls for sale then in order for this to happen All Of Mandos photos be removed from the Lucidtoys website and be replaced with photos of the actual dolls for sale.

This is not as difficult is it may seem as all the need s doing is open the box take out your camera phone and take some pictures, This way potential buyers can actualy see what they are buying, rather than glossy professional pictures, because when you open that box the dolls look very little like the promo pic's anyway.

There are 2 ways forward as i see it.

1/ For Lucidtoys to do nothing and leave their site the way it is which offcouse would result in termination of their membership for a second time.

Or

2/ For either Lucidtoys to ask Mandos or even Members on this site to point out the dolls advertised on lucidtoys website that are an infringement on copyrite/ or photos of Wm and YL dolls that they are unaware of and remove these images and replace with correct images of the doll for sale.
If these images were sent from there supplier then they also may be unaware of what is a genuine wm photo and whats in the box.
If they are willing to do this then i am sure there are members here who are willing to help.


This site and it's owners can not be associated and knowingly turn a blind eye to any Vendor using false picture's to advertise their products on the UKLDF.

If Lucidtouys are willing to remove these pictures and replace them with actual photo's of the dolls they have for sale then they will be welcome to remain and even advertise their dolls and any special offers to UKLD members.

If on the other hand for whatever reason they can't or are not willing to do this then unfortunately we will have no choice but to cancel there second time membership of this site and it is highly unlikly there will be a third membership approval.

Samurai/Tommo (Admins)

Always ready to cooperate, links have been removed. now need to get the girls photographed.

Please note I don't check all the treads all the time. Don't want things to get out of hang again.